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Ebu Bekir
İ want to write a booklet on learning Turkish for absolute beginners, I need your help!

Esselamu aleykum ve rahmetullah


I know there are trillions of books out there you can choose from to study, I am aware :)  However, even with the amount of books on learning any language( to be honest), most of them are very badly constructed. Now I might be dead wrong of course, but it's just the way I feel about it.

I noticed this during my first months of learning arabic. It's a total mess. Then when I somehwat started to help others with learning Turkish, I noticed the exact same for my own native language! I'm very lucky to not have been introduced to the Turkish language after my 1st birthday :))  The amount of rules and names are ridiculous, and verily this must be the case for any language. 


So what do I want to do? One of my life goals is to write a clear and easy-to-use handbook for learning Arabic/Turkish/Dutch/English for absolute beginners. Any of them. However, as of now, I'm in dire need of help myself. I'm discovering my way of studying one day at a time. I need to know with what subjects people are struggling at when starting from dust with learning Turkish. 


I'm slowly  going to try and simplify learning  my own native language, the Turkish language, first. 


Regards, 


Ebu Bekir


Sep 4, 2016 12:37 PM
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I just  want to add another point.

Nowadays people always talking about some "natural learning process".  They give babies as an example, and they claim that people should go through a likewise way (Actually, almost all language courses in this way). But maybe it isn't the best approach for all people.

For instance, I'm not comfortable with learning to say "I go " but not "I went". I always want to see the whole picture and understand the pattern. 

I'm not sure about that but using the  ability of "understanding abstract concepts" (I think it is the most important advantage of us against babies in learning) sounds like a better way to me. So maybe,  trying to understand the gramatical pattern of language and making it faster by using direct information instead of indirect deductions is not such a bad thing.

Of course, these are just my thoughts that I have obtained while I study Arabic. So very likely  they can be wrong.


September 4, 2016

Ve aleykum selam ve rahmetullah


I think there is a certain "path" that mostly everyone follows in order to learn a language.

First, they learn the alphabet.

Second, they start learning some conversational expressions used, for instance, in greetings, introducing oneself, etc..

Third, they learn the numbers, the colors, the seasons, the months, etc..

Then, step by step, they start picking up some vocabulary items.

I think that learning grammatical rules is usually done later because if one starts with such complex things, they would be soon discouraged and put off. 


So my advice for you is to make your booklet precise and concise: In order to explain a rule mesela, you shouldn't write long, complex and boring definitions and procedures. Try as much as you can to keep it clear and straight to the point. Besides, as Eva said, including pictures can be really helpful for learners, especially those who have a good visual memory. 


Bottom line is that you should make it simple and lively. 

Kolay gelsin Ebu Bekir.

September 4, 2016

There is an old book called "Spanish through pictures" by I.A. Richards, from the 1950's. It teaches the language in question (here: Spanish) just through one language, and with illustrative pictures. Maybe you can find some inspiration from this book. It sort of looks like a cartoon, one picture follows another. 

Why not make an internet search for "Spanish through pictures" by I.A. Richards 1953

I'm not trying to learn any of those languages you mention, except English, but I'd guess that if I were, one of the very first obstacles is to learn the alphabet (if I didn't know it already) and then to learn some basic vocabulary so I can use it, as a basis for expanding my vocabulary further. The book I mention has an interesting starting point - pictures - to solve this problem. I have a copy of it myself, got it from an elderly relative.

September 4, 2016

@Alperen, there truly is a big advantage in learning "the natural way". Plus, as a grown-up, we have an even bigger advantage. We are able to think and make connections quicker.  Learning like a baby doesn't mean never touching books and just be thrown into the deep. For example, tevafuken. I read an article in arabic on aljazeera (learning part of the site) and it was about mosquitos. البعوض. Suprisingly the next day one of my language partners mentioned that his rooms is full of flies. I yelled out البعوض!.   and he approvingly nodded his head. Guess who's not forgetting that word anymore. 

One thing I noticed is that learning a language cannot have a structure. There are just too many connections. You cannot say "I'm going to learn this and this now and thaat and that next week." Why? Because of the rules and exceptions and warnings and this and...  Mesela:  I just want to learn a list of regular verbs in past tense in Arabic and repeat them for a couple of weeks.  This is not fully possible, because the harekaat may differ, there will be ا و ي in the way :P  These are exceptions and have their own category. Category within category, subject within subject. Etc. 

What I'm trying to figure out is: how far can an absolute beginner go with learning until he hits an "exception" barrier?    To be honest, I have no clue



September 5, 2016

@Wafa


Just as I wrote Alperen (in short)


How much can a beginner learn without hitting the "exception" barrier?


Or put in a different way: What is the "safe zone" of a language? I want to be able to answer this question for people, because I noticed this is what everyone is looking for.


September 5, 2016
Ebu Bekir
Language Skills
Arabic, Arabic (Levantine), Dutch, English, Persian (Farsi), Turkish
Learning Language
Arabic, English