A topic about cleaning

Hi everyone,

I would like to ask if students in your country clean the classroom by themselves or employees clean the office by themselves. One of the countries is Japan, I cleaned my classroom with other students, sometimes restroom in turn, when I worked in Japan we gathered trash and brought to the container, swept our office by ourselves.

I have been working in Austria for 15 years, everything will be done by an external company and I think it natural in Europe.

In Japan, cleaning is actually a part of education. To use public objects with care, to keep the public place as clean as possible is just one practical aspect of the matter,  the other is the idea that our mind mirrors to the environment we are in. Those who cleaned their classrooms in school will be later employees who clean their office by themselves, try to treat books from libraries with the highest care, or try to use the public restroom and keep it as clean as possible.

Whoever works in factories or in the field of manufacturing might have heard at least once of Kaizen and 3S or 5S. Kaizen is well known as Toyota-method, in other words, Just-in-time manufacturing, which means continuous improvement for better quality, 3S or 5S are methodologies from Japanese words Seiri, Seiton, Seiketsu, Seisou  and Shituke, which mean respectively ordering, fixing where everything should be kept, clean, cleaning and discipline. The objective to keep the place in order is to find potential problems as early as possible, exactly like broken window theory, appearance represents our inner mind state.

Do you think it a nice idea that students clean the classroom by themselves or is it absolute nonsense? Of course, I understand the logic in Europe for example, engineers are much more paid than cleaning staff and they should concentrate on their issues and not on keeping their place in order. Yes, it is very clear and very efficient. But I feel something important lacks in this idea.

I want to read your opinions.

Mar 12, 2017 9:58 AM
Comments · 8

Looks like that there is a tendency, in Asian countries it is quite usual that students clean their classroom. How about other European countries? As Joshua mentioned, I can imagine that students would clean the restroom as a penalty due to their bad behavior, but nowadays it would be criticized as abuse especially in Japan. Many parents give up to raise/educate their own children properly and push it to teachers. What is worse, parents cannot scold their children and do not trust teachers at all. Nobody can tell children that they are doing something bad and why.

March 14, 2017

It is normal in the UK for state schools to be cleaned by contractors.  In my private school (which is called a "public" school in UK) we cleaned the school, including the toilets (or loos or heads as we would call them). 

I'm well trained in Lean manufacture and the concepts of the Toyota system (in fact I proof read one of the early Toyota books into English) and cleaning your own work environment is normal to me as an adult as well.

In fact just like we do at home :-)

March 14, 2017
when I in primary ,  junior and high school,we cleaned our classroom , toliet and some other public areas ,teachers and students did it together. only when I was in university, we needn't clean our classroom and some other places,expect our own dormitory
March 14, 2017
We had janitors to clean the schools in the states. The only time students would clean is if one of them had a behavioral issue and made a mess. However, the vast majority of the time a janitor is hired to keep the school clean. 
March 14, 2017
when I was in junior and high school, we also clean classroom, just classroom, no other place. I think, people who clean the environment by themselves, they will pay more attention to keep the environment clean and tidy, it is ok. regarding clean woman/ man's room, it will be better to ask special staff to do it, cause to keep public place clean, it will need much more time. you know, students' main work is studying.
March 14, 2017
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