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School orders to learn the second foreign language

A boy of 11 I'm taking charge of with English was authoritatively asked at school to pick up one more foreign language for learning. It's a sort of some new witty idea they are trying to develop copying it from somewhere and trying to plant on their educational program. The boy loves British English and is rather good in it, knows all tenses, voices, understands extracts from movies and audio-books (Matilda unabridged read by Kate Winslet for example), writes scripts from audios for exercising, not speaks much but it will come soon. For my mind, it would have been better just keep going on with English. But that is the silly directive from the school.

The choice is not big - French, German and Spanish. I doubt that he will ever use any of these languages. It's just a chore now. Probably after me, he inclines a bit to Japanese, but there's no Japanese at school.

Which of those three languages would be better to pick up in the easiest and not disturbing way for English studies?  French? Can you give me a piece of advice?

Apr 10, 2018 5:38 PM
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Orders? You make it sound like it's a bad thing. Schools "order" kids to learn all sorts of stuff, so why not another language? I learned two foreign languages at school. I'm glad I did. And how are you even supposed to know what an 11 year old is going to need during his lifetime? Many of us here are learning or speak several languages, including yourself. So why would the kid not need it?
April 12, 2018
But actually, I think the best thing to do would be to try to figure out which of the three languages is taught best in his school and then choose that one. I said that German would be the most useful of the three, but that doesn't mean that the other two are useless! And it's much better to speak passable French or Spanish than to speak terrible German. ;-) 
April 10, 2018

As for usefulness, I'm not sure it's true that German is more useful than Spanish for a traveller in Europe. Yes, there are more native German speakers in the continent as a whole, but German speakers are excellent at speaking English accurately, fluently and with a very good accent. So a young Russian who is proficient in English would have no trouble at all navigating his way around Germany using only his English.  However, he would have a much harder job doing the same thing in Spain. Proportionally, fewer Spanish speakers speak English well, and they all struggle far more with pronunciation than Germans do. This young man may understand Kate Winslet perfectly, but he might find speaking English to Spaniards somewhat more challenging.

I'm also not convinced about German being a useful lingua franca in Europe, either.  Thirty or more years ago, this was true, but not any more. In a country such as Hungary, for example, it seems to be only the older people who learnt German. The younger generation all learn English. If he's lucky enough to already have a decent grasp of English, then German may not give him much of an advantage.

I vote for Spanish.

April 10, 2018

 If he just needs to take up another language for the sake of meeting the needs of the school curriculum, then Spanish is probably the language that will "disturb" his studies the least.

German would involve learning a lot of complex grammar involving agreements of pronouns, articles, and adjective endings for three genders and four cases. Admittedly, as a Russian he would have a head start with the concept of cases, but learning them would still take up quite a bit of time. Word order is strict. Vocabulary is another challenge with German. While many simple everyday words are similar to English, the more complex vocabulary is very different. (The opposite is true of Romance languages.)

For someone who has the time and commitment to learn a European language, French is a very useful skill which is definitely worth acquiring. But it isn't the easiest option for this young man.  French has a lot of potentially confusing homophones, and a lot of words have silent endings. As these endings often carry the grammatical meaning, ( for example, the difference between an infinitive and a regular past participle) learners who try to study French in a casual manner really struggle to relate what they hear to what they read.

With Spanish, on the other hand, what you see is what you get. There are only five vowel sounds  ( compared to 20 or so in English!) and these correspond to the five alphabetical vowels. There's a clear relationship between written and spoken Spanish, meaning that, once you've learnt a few basic rules and the differences between English and Spanish  ( eg the pronunciation of 'j' ),  if you hear something you can write it and if you read it you can say it. Word classes are also more easily identifiable - for example, it's clearer to identify a Spanish past or present participle when you hear it than the equivalent French one.





April 10, 2018
In schools in my country, students have English as main foreign language since they are 6 y.o. (first grade) and then in 6th grade, 12 yo. they choose between two languages - depending on which school they go to: in my school, we had to choose between Italian and German, in other ones, Russian, French and Spanish are also available. In high school (15yo) they have two foreign languages - English and one of the already mentioned ones(they can change the one they chose in middle school). Then, college (18y.o) students have profession English (e.g. if they're pharmacist, they learn that side of English). 

So, Spanish, German or French? 
According to a research, Spanish grammar and pronunciation is the easiest of the languages above, and German is the hardest. French is something in the middle, I'd say. But how easy the language is to you only depends on where you are from and which languages you already speak. Personally, I love all of them very much. 

Is this system of two languages at the same time good? I think it is. Because, it is good that schools give oportunity for students to learn languages to a very good level, I think. Imagine, you are 15 yo but almost fluent in both English and X language! (If the teachers are good. If they are not, that's another story, worth of another discussion!) We learn 2 languages(English and Italian) in school, and I am very happy because we do.
And, like Katarina said, this is not an order, this is a wonderful and useful opportunity.
April 12, 2018
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Igor
Language Skills
English, Greek, Japanese, Mongolian, Russian
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English