JohnPaulValentine
How do you measure improvement for yourself after level B2-C1 ?
How do you measure your improvement in a foreign language learnibg after achieving the level B2-C1?

Is it possible to do this measurement a kind of objectively and SMART way or it is possible to make it only subjectively and approximately?

What are your middle-way or step-by step clear targets before achieving a mythical and so desired "fluency" ?

Regards

Of course all people are liers. We all have no less then b2 especially then learning Russian and Chinese for 2 months however personally I have my internal system to measure my knowledge

PS My PERSONAL ladder of the levels (from the lowest to the highest)
<ul><li>Starting point ( B1-b2 ???) To read the whole saga of our dearest and greatest Harry Potter and Co with the full understanding of all words and meanings ( sometimes it could be different in different languages/translations)</li><li>To read at least 10 books in your target language with a comfort and joy. To have another 5-10 in mind as a next step</li><li>..To read a local newspaper as a regular morning procedure yaving some coffee and weets </li><li> To laugh sincerely when you are looking smthng funny on TV because you understand it </li><li>Be ready to make a friendly presentaion on your target language any time with only How to make it the best way ? question</li><li>To read any official newspaper (the Spiegel style) </li><li>BE ready to make a presentaion and answer all question in a very unfriendly atmosphere </li></ul>


Jun 24, 2020 4:37 PM
Comments · 5
Personally, my long term goal is to be able to speak smoothly, without pausing constantly to think about how to translate the next word or phrase. I'm okay with making mistakes and pausing once in a while to think, but not for every sentence.

I guess my short term goals are more activity-based. Right now I am reading a series, so my goal is to finish that series and then move onto the next one on my list. While I'm reading, I don't look up every single word I don't understand, because it's frustrating, it takes too long, and I don't retain the majority of the words I look up. Instead, I focus on the words that are important to know in order to understand the plot and the words that are repeated. Then, I upload summaries of every 5-10 chapters on the italki notebook, which I think is a really good way of practicing the new vocabulary that you pick up while reading the book. I also watch tv shows and listen to podcasts to practice listening.

I think its hard to measure progress, regardless of what level you're at. My goals are more aimed towards constant practice, which seems to work for me, and I definitely feel like reading books and writing summaries has vastly broadened my vocabulary.
June 24, 2020
I don´t follow these measurements, I rather rate myself on able or not able to speak , fluent not fluent , do you understand more than 80 % of a conversation , etc .. C1 .B 2.. I don´t give a damn


June 24, 2020
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July 21, 2020
Thank you.

Also I wanted to share my personal experience/opinion on some ways to improve my English

Helpful- Quoora reading every day, local newspapapers, interviews, Roahl Dahl books and other books for children , good nutritional channels on YouTube , Tedtalks
Not really helpful ( actually doesn/t work for me at all) - songs , 10 words to say instead of.. extra, Video games , calling to sales support , talking on the streets , any YouTube guru ( related to language learning or not) with more then 10-20 K subscribers because they use not a real language but a water -water-water the fulll time

Thanks again . I have to think it over ..
June 25, 2020
I'd like to add that even the word "fluent" is a relative term. It means different things to different people. My long term goal, as I stated below, is an example of a more concrete goal which you can set for yourself, but I also like Marcelo's method of measurement: approximating the percentage of a conversation that you can understand.
June 24, 2020
JohnPaulValentine
Language Skills
English, French, German, Italian, Russian
Learning Language
English, German, Italian