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[Politics & Religion] Secularism First of all, if you don't know what this term means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism

In my opinion this is one of the most important aspects of freedom. What do you guys think?
Jul 8, 2008 4:23 PM
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"YUSUFALI: How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked. "

And this verse is actually interesting. I think that's true. I think muslims here in the west use fair words from their mouths to entice us, but their hearts are averse from us; and most of them are rebellious and wicked.

Well, and the rest of the entire chapter is like this. Fight them here, slay them there. Blablabla. If more people here in the West read the Quran there will only be more anger towards you. Perhaps you should be happy that not many of them have read it, otherwise the whole area might have been nuked already.
August 23, 2008
"YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

Nice. Let's just kill everyone who doesn't agree! Yay! How great is islam.
August 23, 2008
It's basically that muslims are welcome here, but islam's rules and ideology are not. Simple as that. Sure, you can go believe in Allah and Mohammed and whoever you want to. But just leave our legal system and our government alone. We will never be dhimmis to you guys. Never.

"YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "

No way.
August 23, 2008
Actually, the UK is a very, very bad example. It's exactly how we DON'T want things to go here in Europe. It's not a coincidence that there are many extremists in the UK. It's because the English government is too lenient with them. And now those extremists think that their extremism is actually working. Do you even watch the news?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_zmXa_830M
Scary clown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EyvHu220p8
Racist, scary idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLGt2skCVhk
Islam, such freedom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFTGNGja6vI
How great.
August 23, 2008
I agree you in Lot of points .
The best for your societies is to fight extremists, but how? 
I think the best way is to do like they did in UK, they supported moderated Muslims and isolated extremists. Because ,hashing will lead only to doom to the both sides.

August 23, 2008
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