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Do you pronounce ve in I've got~, I should've known~?
Feb 14, 2015 10:47 AM
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It's optional. In an informal situation, feel free to drop it.

February 15, 2015

Yes, we do. Yes, it is often pronounced that way in real life whenever real people are speaking carefully. 

Here's a famous country music singer, Johnny Cash, who projects a folksy working-class image and uses colloquial, slangy language. How does he pronounce "I've?" Listen, starting about 0:30. He says "I've" dozens of times. Sometimes the "v" is harder to hear than others, but even in the rapid-fire "patter" it's there every single time.

"I've Been Everywhere"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmFN9C9PVpg

How about the Beatles? (British English, with a working-class style and image):

"I've Just Seen a Face"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbKGsEK_T9g

 

 

 

 

February 14, 2015

Yes. Please pronounce it!

February 14, 2015

Yes, I doubt if the sound /v/ is pronounced in real life whenever I see YouTube video clips that drop the sound of /v/ in this case.--Hoon

 

   The question   is "Do you pronounce" and that does not equate to exceptions to the  rules of grammar.

When   people   teach the rules of  grammar and phonetic pronunciation,  the meaning of

Do---You---Pronounce is understood to be  the proper  grammatical and phoentic usage.

 

 There are in fact,  people who do indeed mispronounce the words of the English Language and YouTube videos are full of such mispronunciations.  "I've got" can be pronounced spoken as "I got"; but the issue becomes moot  once one considers it beyond  Grammatical and Phonetic Rules, because once one does that,  one enters the realm in which there are no rules, and no meaning can be attributed to the pronunciation.

 

    It would be  a confused understanding of a language indeed, if one adopted the habit of thinking that   merely because one  "heard it" somewhere,  it is customary,  acceptable, or confers upon the user  some special social status.

 

 It can indeed confer upon the user  a  certain status.  People hearing you speak will relegate you to the status of persons  who do not know proper English. 

 

This is an ongoing difficulty, with people so fascinated with idiomatic expressions that they

feel that it confers upon one a social acceptance.. It reminds me of the time when I was about 14 years old, and I adopted some of the breathy  word usages I heard in Rock N Roll songs, and my bigger brother  smacked me in the mouth for it.  I am glad he did.  It taught me an important lesson.

February 14, 2015

Yes. The 've' sound IS there when we say it 'I've got'.

Non-native speakers may not hear it if they're expecting to hear a sound like the loud and clear 'v' at the beginning of a word. It is much lighter than at the beginning of a word. But it is there, and we are conscious of making this sound. It's the lightest of touches between the top teeth and the bottom lip. 'I've got' and 'I got' take exactly the same time to say, but they ARE different. It only takes a split second to touch your teeth on your bottom lip between the 'I' and the 'got', but it makes all the difference.

And on a completely different topic, Hoon, are you aware that the gesture you are making is extremely offensive in the UK? If you make that sign to a British person, you are telling them to f*** off. Just thought I'd warn you.

February 14, 2015
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