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怎么学习广东话才好吗? 最近我开始学习广东话。我买了几本书还有下载学习广东话的app。现在最难的是广东话的声调。不同话有四个声调,可是广东话呢。。。有的书说广东话有六个声调有的书说九个声调。到底广东话有几个声调吗? 我想学习广东话的声调跟发音是学广东话的第一步。可是现在我连第一步也走不去。 请告诉我吧。 谢谢您读我的文章。 祝大家快乐。
28 de jul de 2017 02:22
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怎么学习广东话才好

最近我开始学习广东话。我买了几本书,还有1下载学习广东话的app。现在最难的是广东话的声调。普通话有四个声调,可是广东话呢有的书说广东话有六个声调,有的书()说九个声调。到底广东话有几个声调
我想学习广东话的声调跟发音是学广东话的第一步。可是现在我连第一步也走不去。
请告诉我好的办法(/有什么好办法)吧。
谢谢您读我的文章。
祝大家快乐。

【1】 ’没有 + 动词短语’是普通话常见的结构,‘有 + 动词短语’是方言用法(包括广州话),但是现在北方人有时也使用。

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你写得很好!


可能你先要打一打基础,这一阶段进展比较慢,但这是必须的,坚持,just keep going!

有点基础之后,可能学唱粤语歌、看粤语影视剧是很好的办法,这两种资源网上都有很多,很容易得到。问题是自己说的机会比较少,可以找一两个language partners,比如学韩语的粤语者,互相学习,互相帮助。

广州话有九个调类 tonal category、六个调型 tonal pattern(就是实际听到的声调的曲线contour), 有的调类的调型是相同的,所以实际上能听出的是六个声调。有的书不用调类、调型这些词语,笼统地说“声调”,所以说法就可能有所不同。


1 de agosto de 2017

Watch more Cantonese dramas probably those from hong kong or surround with Cantonese native speakers. I am not a Cantonese speaker. But i can tell you according from my perspective as a Min Nan dialect speaker. Realistically speaking , the nine tones is extremely hard to grasp, you will need to find a professional Cantonese teacher who can teach you the nine tones. As a Min Nan speaker, i do not even know the nine tones in Min Nan at all, even if my parents who speak Min Nan can't be bothered to know the nine tones because they speak the dialect from young with my grandparents. I picked up my own family dialect by listening to my parents talk and watch some Taiwanese dramas. Chinese dialect like Cantonese is best learnt from context. Firstly, you need to catch some words that do sound like Mandarin, word such as 朋友 in mandarin is prounounced as "pang yeow" in Cantonese. It sound phonetically similiar to some extent. From there, you pick up other words that are different from Cantonese. Then you use the words that you learnt in Cantonese to form a sentence.

Cantonese is somewhat an older form of Chinese compared to Mandarin. Sometimes the Cantonese expressions are vastly different from Mandarin in some cases. If you are learning Chinese dialects like Cantonese, you are essentially learning what did the Chinese people in the Guangdong province talk in the old days when Mandarin is not popularised in China and Taiwan.

For myself, I do not learn Min Nan from books, i just listen to my parents talk in Min Nan and watch Taiwanese dramas and just follow what they say. It is too hard to learn from books according to my experience. Similarily, the best way to learn Cantonese is to follow what the Cantonese people say. It is easier. Since you know chinese, i think it would not be too difficult for you since you have a good foundation in Mandarin. Remember, Chinese dialects are best learnt based on Context and following people. Watch more Cantonese dramas and follow them. The more you understand Cantonese, the more you follow how they speak, soon you would be on your way to speaking Cantonese. Thats all i can tell you. All the best!

28 de julho de 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dLV9QjhHME&t=11s


The video shows the six tones in Cantonese. 


I hope this helps

Casey

28 de julho de 2017
上面的音值描写有比较明显的规律,但是有的声调可能跟听感有比较大的差异,下面再给出一种描写,也是折中规律性和听感的结果,并且注意到了历史来源:----------53 35 33 - 31 13 11 - 5 3 1 --------- 规律与前述规律基本相同,只是具体音值更贴近实际的听感。----------- 其中53已经渐变为55, 11实际多作22,余细处不论。
2 de agosto de 2017
关于粤语声调,给Yeonjoo妹子一点建议(国内学习粤语的朋友也可以参考)。粤语的声调比较多,别说学,光是看那么多的数目就够头晕的了。北方话一般只有一个平调,多至两个而已,而粤语(此指广州话、香港话)竟然有四个之多。------------ 我们学习的时候,先把这些繁复的东西科学、适当地简化,才能容易掌握,掌握基础之后再去琢磨、提高,这样容易达成目标。----------- 其实粤语的声调(九个或六个),舒调六个可以分为阴调三个、阳调三个。三个阴调是高调,55 35 33,两个平调一个升调;三个阳调是低调,11 12 22,也是两个平调,一个升调。然后三个促调是对应的三个短平调(5,3,2,比舒调少一个)。--------这样就可以看出明显的规律,掌握起来就容易多了。如果看不出规律,就会头晕眼花。--------(上面音值的描写比较粗,但是这样读出来就是正确的声调,因为它接近粤语声调系统的本质。如果描写过细,学习者也做不到,徒增恐惧、混乱。至于有细微之处,掌握基础以后才可以慢慢领会和做到)。 -------我本人对粤语只是略知一二,但我是学语言学的,眼光比较毒,能看出点门道,因此斗胆班门弄斧,放言无忌,不妥之处,欢迎转头像雨点般飞来,本人全部笑纳,沐转雨而无所恨矣。
2 de agosto de 2017
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