Satomi_N
Usage of that The sentence below is from my textbook used in my high school days, and please note the [that] in the middle. "Many observers have commented on what seems to be the fact [that] fear plays a much smaller part than we should think it must in the life of an animal which lives dangerously." I do not ask the meaning of the whole sentence. Instead, I want to know the function of [that] after "the fact", or rather what the [that] modifies here. I presumed that the usage of the [that] is: 1. used after verbs, nouns, and adjectives to introduce a clause which shows what someone says or thinks, or states a fact or reason (from Longman), and judged that it should modify the phrase "the fact" just before the word, as in this sentence "The fact that he is your brother-in-law should not affect your decision."But my brother propounded a view that the [that] should modify the entire clause "what seems to be the fact". Which interpretation is right? Or are both of them incorrect? I'm sorry. I suppose this question is really trivial. Thank you for reading this to the end. Perhaps you would explain.
29 Eyl 2017 06:11
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I apologise I was wrong. "What" can be meaningless, but I insist on that the clause modifing "what" is right. I only think the usage stated above concerning the comma is a problem raised by orthography or prescriptive grammar (which declares what a language should be like), and if to consider it in the respect of descriptive grammar (what a language is like), I think there will be no such problem.
29 Eylül 2017
As written, I believe your own interpretation is the only correct one. "what seems to be the fact that ..." indicates that the writer is suspecting but not yet sure that the observers' comments (i.e. what they observed) in fact means this particular fact he proposes. However, if there was a comma before "that" as shown below, I think your brother's interpretation would be correct. - Many observers have commented on what seems to be the fact, that fear plays a much smaller part than we should think it must in the life of an animal which lives dangerously. In this case the "that" clause modifies the "what" clause, saying in effect "which is (the fact) that the fear ...". Without the comma, the sentence stops at connecting the observations with a specific fact, whereas with the comma, it makes a contention that the interpretation the writer presents is a factual truth. Both versions are viable sentences, but I think the version as written (without the comma) sounds more plausible.
29 Eylül 2017
If the clause after "fact" modified the fact, then the "what" would be meaningless. I think the clause modifies "what"
29 Eylül 2017
Hi Satomi! It is not a trivial question. I believe all questions are important when learning a complex new language, like English. In this case, the [that] acts as a conjunctive particle, joining the idea of something being factual with the fact itself. It is like a proactive description of fear playing a much smaller part than we should think it must in the life of an animal which lives dangerously, as a fact, and not just an opinion. Here are some more examples: The fact that there are dark clouds in the sky today, means that it may rain this afternoon. The fact that he laughs at my jokes must mean that I am funny. I am going to school today, despite the fact that I am feeling sick. I hope this helps! :) Good job, and keep working on your English!
29 Eylül 2017
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