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Zach
Am I "Fluent"?

I've been speaking Spanish for a little over 3 years now. I've taken 100+ hours of lessons on italki with teachers from Spain and most countries in Central & South America. I've spoken with taxi drivers in Cuba, food vendors in Peru, strangers in Chile & Argentina, all with varying levels of "fluency." With some people I'm able to discuss my favorite books,  political views,  just about anything. I've recently returned to the Caribbean coast of Colombia to visit some friends for the holidays and I can hardly understand anyone! I've had to ask people on several occasions to repeat basic sentences. Naturally, I have been asking myself a lot of questions.

I know there's no definitive answer to this question, but has something like this happened to you before? Which accent in the language you're learning is the easiest/most difficult for you to understand? Must someone understand many or all accents before being considered "fluent"? Or, is it enough to be able to speak "fluently" within one region?


26 de dic. de 2018 16:53
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I think we put too much emphasis on "fluency" as some sort of achievable end target. To me fluency is just the ability to speak with fluidity that sounds good and not too slow. Across what accents, topics etc. is a secondary question. Hence fluency, while important for others to understand you, is somewhat meaningless for measuring language skill as a whole.

I have A2 students that speak fluently as they keep to well learned phrases and vocab despite how limiting it may be for them. I have C1 students that pause a lot and search for expressions as they try to use more advanced vocab.

As for understanding spoken language, this is a different skill all together and requires active listening of comprehensible input from the target language/accent/dialect.

I do think that as a proficient learner it is good to have at least rudimentary comprehension skills in all the major dialects in the world, but that learning this is a part of the continuing education of a C2 student.

27 de diciembre de 2018
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Watch some scenes or dialogues from this video and tell me if you are capable of understanding it at first. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktBg7K0DhVY

I thought I was fluent in english and then started watching this movie and I swear to you that after the first few minutes of it I was like "Damn, downloaded it dubbed in Dutch or something" but no, it was english. 

26 de diciembre de 2018
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You have some tough accents in Colombia. I had the same thing happen when I went there. Some people I had absolutely no trouble understanding at all and I was able to have long conversations with them and then suddenly a brother of one of my friends showed up and my 99% understanding went down to probably about 2 or 3% at most. It's frustrating and demotivating, but there's nothing we can do about it. My French understanding is even better than my Spanish, but every now and then I have the same problem with that language too. Some people are difficult to understand, especially if they have no experience at all being around foreigners.
28 de diciembre de 2018
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@Wanda

It is demotivating. Especially when a whole room laughs and you're sitting there with a blank face trying to keep up! 

As a student, have you ever asked your teacher to speak to you in a quicker and more authentic accent (from wherever that teacher is from)? This is why I've sought out teachers from many different countries on Italki but I've found that most of them speak with a neutral accent and use this as a selling point on their profiles. This is not a problem at all, and probably a sign of higher education and exposure to foreigners as you said. But, ironically, it might be a disadvantage in this case. What to do? What to do? Just keep learning, I guess!

28 de diciembre de 2018
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@Tom

Well said. I agree with just about everything you said. I know it's a loaded word so that's why I wanted to ask. To me, fluency is a blanket term which includes understanding spoken language. If you can't understand what someone says to you then you can't respond "easily & articulately." 

Has this ever happened to you with any accents in Italian?

28 de diciembre de 2018
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