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ㄴ/는/ㄹ 일이 없다/있다 Am I right with this?: -ㄴ 일이 있다/없다: Used to talk whether you have ever had some kind of experience(=ㄴ 적이 있다/없다); can it be used with -던 like 적 can? Guess it can, not sure though. -는 일이 : Used to talk about whether you ever do sth or experience sth in your daily life(=는 적) -ㄹ 일이: To have (or not) to do sth. Here I'm not sure if 적 can be used this way too(guess not).
16 jul. 2017 09:24
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ㄴ/는/ㄹ 일이 없다/있다 You are correct on the first two points. The third one needs more clarification. As you guessed, 적 is only used for the past and the present, never for things yet to come. 일 and 적 (and also 때 which is similar) have different connotations and nuances. * 일 (matter, event, situation) - consequential and publicly known actions or occurrences. * 적 (experience, happening) - what might have happened or might happen to a person or thing. * 때 (time, occasion) - what regularly happens or might happen, both personal and impersonal. 일 signifies important matters, be it something that already happened or to come in the future. As 일 also means "something to be done" (work, task), its usage can diverge far from those of 적 or 때. The -던 일이 있다 form is used ("그 시절 자주 일어나던 일이 있었다"), but much less frequently than -던 적 or -던 때. 적 and 때 are used similarly in the past and the present tense. but 적 works better for the past and 때 for the present. Overall, 일 and 적 have certain overlapping usages, but they are fundamentally quite different. Examples: - 친구는 중학교 떄 불행한 일이 있었다. ( 불행한 일 = a bad incident. 불행한 적/때 = an unhappy time in his life) - 친구는 중학교 때 병원에 입원한 적이 있다. (specific experience. 적 is the best) - 이 개는 가끔 이유없이 짖는 일이 있어. (okay, but not the best since it's an unimportant, specific thing) - 이 개는 가끔 이유없이 짖을[짖는] 때가 있어. (more natural) - 이 개는 가끔 이유없이 짖을[짖는] 적이 있어. (similar) * Since 일 has the notion of "things to do" or "what may come", 짖을 일 has the connotation of a future possibility. * 때 and 적 connotes an occasion or a point in time, so 짖을 때/적 means "such a time as it barks", in the present. - 내가 살아있는 한 그럴 일은 없을 게다. (only 일 is possible) - 내년엔 어려운 일이 많를 것이다. (similar) - 내 친구는 수업에 늦는 일이[적이, 때가, or 법이] 없다 (My friend is never late for the class - a pattern or principle) - 내 친구는 수업에 늦을 일이 없다 (DIFFERENT MEANING - There is no reason for my friend to be late for the class).
16 juli 2017
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