Isaac Ortiz
Could you explain a little bit the use of "desse"? I've seen in many texts the use of "desse" meaning more "this" than "that". The confusion is because in spanish, when we say "de ese" means to something closer to the listener. This is the example i have at hand: "Um dia desses minha tia..." I'm not sure but I think I've seen in portuguese the use of "este". Do you use "deste"? Obrigado pela ajuda.
2017年5月26日 23:46
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Allow me to add my two cents, answering your original question as well as the one in your reply to Davi's excellent answer. Yes, 'esse' works for both past and future times. 'Este' is just for the present, even if that present encompasses a little bit of the past in the speaker's view. For example: 'Não tinha feito muitas coisas esses últimos tempos, mas esta semana ando muito ocupado.' ('Esses' because it refers to a past time before the current situation of the speaker. Note the use of 'esta', because the speaker is talking about the current week.) 'Andei sumido estes tempos, mas hoje quero sair de casa.' ('Estes' because the speaker is still in 'these times'.) 'Vai ser difícil sair com os amigos esses tempos.' ('Esses' because it refers to the coming future.) But that's the theory. You should learn that if you want to write grammatically correctly, though most Brazilian native speakers would probably overlook that and not pay attention to what word you've used. In practice, most Brazilians just say 'esse' and variations, as Davi pointed out, because it's easier to pronounce (one less sound!) and those rules don't naturally affect the meaning, so we'd probably just say 'essa semana' and 'esses tempos' in the examples above, most of the time. When people write, however, many times they use the 'este' set of words when they should use the 'esse' one. That's called 'hypercorrection'. Since everyone uses 'esse' freely and perceive 'este' as formal, they end up using 'este' when they're not supposed to, thinking that you can just use it arbitrarily to sound more formal/grammatical. That is the case of that particular expression you've brought up: you may find some results of 'um dia destes' on Google, but I can't particularly think of a situation in which it'd be connected to the present; it either relates to the past ('um dia desses minha tia me reclamou!') or to the future ('um dia desses minha tia vai ter um enfarte!'), acting as a fixed phrase. Hope this helps!
2017年5月27日
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'Um dia desses' is actually an expression that we say informally referring to someday near the present, it does not make grammatical sense. Desse = de + esse In a nutshell, 'este' is for something close to you while 'esse' may not be. However, at least in Brazil, we don't care much for it so "esse" is used informally for every case, just because it is easier to say... So in most situations they are seen as synonyms. We barely use 'este' in informal speech, so you shouldn't see a lot of 'deste' either.
2017年5月27日
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In Portugal its really normal you see the differences and the contractions. In Brazil usually I listen them use "esse", "essa, "isso", etc beside of use both forms. Este = Usa-se para coisas que estão perto do falante. Esse= Usa-se para coisas que estão perto do ouvinte. Aquele= Usa-se para coisas que estão longe do ouvinte e do falante. Contracções de preposições: De+este=deste. De+esse=desse. De+aquele= daquele.
2017年5月28日
Hi Isaac, Take a look at this site: http://mundoeducacao.bol.uol.com.br/gramatica/pronome-demonstrativo.htm In Portuguese there are several words that are contractions. For instance: Desse = de + esse Desta = de + esta Disso = de + isso Disto = de + isto Dessa = de + essa Desta = de + esta I hope this will answer your question.
2017年6月1日
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