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Intercultural Issue: The german concept of "Fremdschämen" Hi everyone, This notebook entry is not really supposed to be a language exercise but more of an open question concerning a german cultural concept. But even though i'm more interested in what you have to say about the topic itself, i'll nevertheless be grateful for language related corrections as well. So, in this entry i'd like to talk about a contemporary german concept which we call "Fremdschämen" (which roughly translates to: feeling embarrassment for a stranger's behaviour). It describes the state of feeling ashamed and embarrased for some reason while watching someone who is embarrassing himself (often without being aware of it). So even though you actually have no reason to be ashamed because it's after all not you who is doing something embarrasing, you still have that feeling and it's sometimes so intense you have to turn your eyes off the scene which is cause to the embarrassement. It is not quite like the concept of "Schadenfreude" which you might heard of. "Schadenfreude" means to feel secretly delighted with someone else's failure because the other person's failure makes you feel less inferior. "Fremdschämen" kind of means that you emphatically put yourself in the other person's position and imagine what it would mean to be exposed to that kind of embarrassement. Consequently there is a feeling of pity for the person and you feel the embarrassement almost as if it was your own. I guess this kind of feeling always existed in german culture, but it's only recently (sometime within the last ten years) that we developed a term for it. Before that people would just say something like "Das kann man ja nicht mit anschauen." ("I can't take watching this"). I suppose that the developement and definition of the term is somehow connected to german tv culture, which increasingly adopted talkshows and reality shows over the last ten to twenty years. Obviously these kind of shows give a lot of opportunity to feel ashamed for other people. What i was wondering about is if you experience similar feelings while watching someone else's embarrassement. Does this feeling have a name in your culture and if so what do you call it? What is your general impression of this kind of cultural concept? What do you think does it reveal about a culture? Thanks to everyone who took the time to read this and especially to those who'll take the effort of writing an answer ;)
28. Dez. 2010 01:28
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This feeling of embarrassment of a person caused because of the actions of other person show that people wouldn't like to enjoy or make fun of the person's actions but instead feel like to correct the person who is the cause of embarrassment.this type of feeling shows that the people like to help each other or say care for each other and feel united.Being united is the main thing because if you think that the person is someone else not related to me in anyway then you would not be having emotion of this kind for that person.So this shows people in your culture feel oneness or be united.
9. März 2011

It shows that germans have learned when they should feel ashamed.  

I feel the same way when watching someone give a speech, but he/she has a hard time.  Sometimes when watching TV, I also feel this way.

I think it is human to feel shame, and it shows that we have a conscience.  I know some people who would laugh at others, when I would feel shame (and then pity) for them.  These acquaintances of mine are people who I would NOT trust enough to leave alone with my wife or children... perhaps only because I saw them laugh at someone who had embarrassed himself.

An interesting article!  As far as I know, we don't have a word for it in America.

There are so many things on TV that "should" make the creators, directors, actors, and viewers feel shame, but rather than feel shame, they delight in these things.  So, "shame" (and conscience) can change over time.  Perhaps someday we will see some things on TV that are even more shameful.  What will it mean for our world when our descendants sense no shame?

(Personally, I say "throw the TV in the trash", but that's another topic!)  :)

 

30. Dezember 2010

Intercultural Issue: The german concept of "Fremdschämen"

Hi everyone,
This notebook entry is not really supposed to be a language exercise but more of an open question concerning a german cultural concept. But even though i'm more interested in what you have to say about the topic itself, i'll nevertheless be grateful for language related corrections as well.

So, in this entry i'd like to talk about a contemporary german concept which we call "Fremdschämen" (which roughly translates to: feeling embarrassment for a stranger's behaviour).
It describes the state of feeling ashamed and embarrased for some reason while watching someone who is embarrassing himself (often without being aware of it). So even though you actually have no reason to be ashamed because it's after all not you who is doing something embarrasing, you still have that feeling and it's sometimes so intense you have to turn your eyes off the scene which is cause to the embarrassement.

It is not quite like the concept of "Schadenfreude" which you might have heard of. "Schadenfreude" means to feel secretly delighted with someone else's failure because the other person's failure makes you feel less inferior.
"Fremdschämen" kind of means that you emphatically put yourself in the other person's position and imagine what it would mean to be exposed to that kind of embarrassement. Consequently there is a feeling of pity for the person and you feel the embarrassement almost as if it was your own.

I guess this kind of feeling always existed in german culture, but it's only recently (sometime within the last ten years) that we developed a term for it. Before that people would just say something like "Das kann man ja nicht mit anschauen." ("I can't take watching this"). I suppose that the developement and definition of the term is somehow connected to german tv culture, which increasingly adopted talkshows and reality shows over the last ten to twenty years. Obviously these kind of shows give a lot of opportunity to feel ashamed for other people.

What i was wondering about is if you experience similar feelings while watching someone else's embarrassement. Does this feeling have a name in your culture and if so what do you call it?
What is your general impression of this kind of cultural concept?
What do you think does it reveal about a culture?

Thanks to everyone who took the time to read this and especially to those who'll take the effort of writing an answer ;)

28. Dezember 2010
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