Hello Choppy, thanks for teaching me some German, smile. I had never heard of "das Ort" but it exists, _however_ only as a specific term used in mining. www.duden.de knows both: "Ort, der, auch: das; -[e]s, -e [eigtl. = Spitze, vgl. →Ort] (veraltet): Ahle, Pfriem. Ort, das; -[e]s, Örter (Bergmannsspr.): [das Ende einer] →Strecke: meist in der Wendung vor ... Ort, der; -[e]s, -e u. Örter [mhd., ahd. ort = Spitze; äußerstes Ende, auch: Gegend, ..." Usually, a place, or also a village, would be "der Ort", plural Orte Hope this helped, regards, Otto

sorry, forgot to add that the mining term means sth like the final point, the end of a particular "route", probably the end of a shaft, and is usually used in the term "vor Ort"; it relates to the third definition, the tip, the final part of ...