Why is 13 used to mean something or someone silly in Chinese?
I have heard many people say "十三" when describing a person or thing that is silly. What is the origin of this term?
I guess you mean "十三点". This is widely uesd in Shanghai dialect.
There are several different versions about the origin:
第一种说法:来源于扑克游戏
一种扑克游戏叫“抓呆子”:逐张要牌,到认为足够为止,以所要的牌点数总数相比。各牌以数字为点数,J、Q、K均作半点,A作1点,以十二点半为最大。超过十二点半,即十三点及以上,为“呆子”,最小。
因此,十三点就是“呆子”。
第二种说法:来源于牌九
牌九中有“幺五”、“幺六”两张牌。这两张牌都是“短对”,碰在一起不配对,暗指人的言行“不对”。六和七加起来是十三,还可成为一句歇后语,如“他这个人有点幺五么六”,故意把“十三点”这个不入耳的话“歇”去。
第三种说法:来源于敲钟
“十三点”初时意谓“敲乱钟”,原来旧时的时钟,每逢一小时便报时一次,例如下午4时,钟摆便会敲响4下,5点敲5下,至多为12点,也不过敲12下,但居然敲出13响,表示出现不正常情况了,正如俗语所讲“癫癫地”!所以,“十三点”就表示某人不正常、疯癫。
第四种说法:来源于“梁山伯”
《梁山伯与祝英台》中“十八相送”一折戏中,祝向梁反复借景喻情,暗送秋波,几次三番向梁表露求爱之情,可梁竟傻乎乎的无动于衷。这是剧作者的艺术手法,故意为后来的悲剧所作的铺垫和伏笔。上海人口中的梁山伯与“两三八”谐音,这三个数相加是13,讥讽梁山伯是“十三点”、“侬真是梁山伯,伊主动对侬有意思,侬还格能戆搭搭!”
第五种说法:来源于“痴”字笔画
汉字“痴”字共13画,故上海人以“十三点”隐指“痴”。以后又派生出许多与“十三点”完全同义的词,如“B拆开”、“电话听筒”(旧电话听筒中设13个小孔)等。
from 互动百科
From poker card game/clocks: normal ones could only strike twelve times /The character means Silly in Chinese has thirteen strokes.
I'm sorry i cant explain it exactly. I have a long way to go with my English.
23 июля 2010 г.
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haha,I think I maybe know the answer,well,13 means B ,two parts of B.but we can't use it dirctly,because it will be shielded.you know,B means something negative.
25 июля 2010 г.
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people who live in the northern part of China don't care about 13, we don't use 13 to say the silly thing either.
and i thought western people(compare with China) do avoid number 13, for they believe 13 bring bad luck to them , propably from Bible story
24 июля 2010 г.
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it do be used in shanghai.13 has the same meaning as 250,but 250 is used everywhere in china.they will mean that somebody is an idoit and ignorant.
23 июля 2010 г.
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it's used widely in Shanghai,the origin is complex。one of that is :Chinese character’s strokes 痴chī=silly are 13。by the way ,i remember that my college teacher has told us, because a turtle has 13 scales on his back,so when u call somebody 13点,u reproved him as a turtle which was not good in chinese.
23 июля 2010 г.
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