Hi Abolfazl,

"doch noch" is a very common combination - especially when something is expected to happen, but turns out the opposite way, like:

"Trotz seines Sturzes kam der Radrennfahrer doch noch als Erster ins Ziel."

Meaning "Despite his fall the racing cyclist finished first."

"Um mit dieser Achterbahn zu fahren, bist Du doch noch zu klein."

Meaning "To ride this rollercoaster you are still too small."

Maybe parent and child measured the child´s height in the morning (1,25cm for example). But though they were expecting to be able riding a certain rollercoaster, at the fair they discovered it is not save for children under a height of 1,30cm.

In your case it is used - as you already guessed - to turn the imperative into a suggestion and also to set the events into a chronological order. A similar example would be:

"Wir gehen nach der Geburtstagsparty vielleicht noch in eine Bar oder einen Club. Komm doch auch noch mit!"

"After the birthday party maybe we´re going to go to a bar or club. Come on, join us!"

The first "noch" emphasizes that other locations are "added" to the evening (bar/club).

The word "doch" implicates that they are afraid you would otherwise go home if not invited.

The following "auch" includes you in a larger group of people, and the second "noch" repeats the chronological order of events.

It is more like "Let´s not seperate after the party already. Why don´t you join us for the rest of the evening?!"

So it doesn´t sound like a command/imperative and it "adds" another shared activity to the time already spend together.

Hope this explanation is of any help to you?

Hello Abolfazl,

sorry, I'm not a "certified teacher" or anything like that. So I can't recommend any material.

Maybe it would be helpful to watch your favourite TV show in German. In informal speech these modal particles are used a lot. So you can get used to hear them and get a feel for what kind of emotions and intentions they convey.

Ich kenne leider keine Bücher oder Webseiten, die ich Dir empfehlen könnte,

aber ich werde es im Hinterkopf behalten und wenn mir DOCH NOCH etwas einfällt, lasse ich es Dich wissen. ;-)

(Unfortunately I don't know of any books or websites to recommend,

but I´ll keep it in mind and if something does pop into my head I´ll give you short notice.)

All the best and keep up asking interesting questions.

It makes me think about the structures of my own language and by trying to explain I understand it even better.

So, thank you!

Cheghard zabanet khooobee

Dear Angela

Thank you for your kind advice. I will watch movies more.

Indeed I will ask more questions (Actually I have to ask in order to learn ;) )

And one more thing: Maybe you are not a certified teacher, but you are still amazing.

Thanks again.

Dear Angela

Thank you a lot.

Your explanation was very complete and very informative.

Indeed it was a great help.

Would you mind please introduce me some books or websites about modal particles and their application?

Thank you again.