Using TRATTARE/ TRATTARSI Hello everyone. Could you guys help me understand using the verb TRATTARE, please? So the understanding i have is that it means : to treat someone or something in a certain manner, to concern itself or oneself and to regard itself or oneself. Trattare qualcuno come un cane = treat someone like a dog! La tratto come una principessa = i treat her like a princess! However then the reflexive verb TRATTARSI has a meaning of : to concern oneself, regard oneself. Si tratta della cosa più importante = it is of the thing more important! or : it concerns itself/regards itself to be the most important thing! Mi tratti come un cane = you treat me like a dog! Do i have the understanding of this verb correct? Is there anything else i should know about using this verb? Thank you.
May 12, 2016 8:39 PM
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/trattare/ is not reflexive, even if you use it in the form /si tratta/, it is the construct of the IMPERSONAL form, like /si dice/. Let's start from /si dice/ that is simpler. - si dice che la terra e` una sfera. Who says that? People say that! It is the impersonal form, with a precise meaning: - si dice che XYZ = la gente dice che XYZ (where XYZ is the secondary sentence). In this case the meaning of /si dice/ is explained by the use of the implicit subject /la gente/. What about /si tratta/ ? This is mote difficult, as it still is the IMPERSONAL form, but it does not have another standard way of rewriting it! /si tratta della cosa piu` importante/ Has the meaning: /the thing we are speaking of/ is for me the most relevant thing. So, in /si tratta/ the subject (which is NOT explicit) is the implied context. Example: A: guarda questo documento, per favore B: vedo, si tratta di una vendita di appartamneto, perche` ti interessa? Here /si tratta di XYZ/ means /il documento che sto guardando riguarda XYZ/, where XYZ is /una vendita di appartamento/ ------ A) cosa hai dentro quello zaino pesante? B) si tratta del materiale per una esplorazione in grotta. Here the implicit subject is: /il contenuto dello zaino/, and so the meaning is: Il contenuto dello zaino e` il materiale per una esplorazione in grotta. This is the meaning of /trattare/ like /it is/, /it relates to/ and so on. The other meaing of /trattare/ (to treat) follows a much easier grammar pattern: Io tratto bene il mio cane. Lui non si tratta molto bene. (true reflexive form) Gli esseri umani a volte si trattano molto male. (reciprocating reflexive form)
May 12, 2016
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May 12, 2016
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