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Learning English by Listening to Songs – Proceed with Caution
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24 Thg 11 2019 13:14
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Lie versus Lay lyrics, we can never be 100% certain that 'LAY' in the lyrics does not have a sort of semi deliberate meaning to 'lay' a women= to 'bed a women'. Although to be honest from the seemingly innocent lyrics it is probably meant to be 'lie lady lie' but that does not sing too well, it cannot be sung as well. I am reasonably certain that both Eric Clapton and Bob Dylan were well enough educated not to make this mistake in their daily speaking, but I do not actually know for sure.

Undoubtedly there are other songs where 'lay' would actually mean to "bed a women"

For the first three songs, this is heard everyday and taken as being correct by everybody except English teachers.
24 tháng 11 năm 2019
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Many of the so-called errors (lay vs. Iie down, If I were/was) have become so widespread that they are accepted in informal settings or in certain regions or communities of native speakers.

In fact, I have seen native tutors on italki not only frequently speak this way in their videos, but also write this way.

If one is to be careful with songs to learn English, then one also needs to proceed with caution in interactions with the majority of native speakers who frequently make these "errors" because that's just the way they speak. I am not sure that is either possible or necessary.

I have studied several languages and speak them without difficulty. Music, including popular music, has always been an invaluable resource. It is not my only source of input, but it is an important one. Learners are smart and perceptive enough to notice the differences between familiar, literary and business-appropriate language. I would argue that familiarity with different registers and the way average people speak is part of becoming a competent language speaker.

Basically, I do not see music as a significant threat, including pop and rap. I advise people to enjoy it unabashedly and see how fast their understanding and pronunciation improve.

edited for typos.
24 tháng 11 năm 2019
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That and listening to smackheads argue in the park at 9am
24 tháng 11 năm 2019
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@Richard, you know I love your discussions but...

Okay boomer
25 tháng 11 năm 2019
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One of the biggest benefits of using music to learn a language, IMO, comes from how it helps you think about rhythm — the natural prosody of a particular language compared to the melody and harmony of the music.

Grammatical quibbles aside, this is valuable.
24 tháng 11 năm 2019
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